MODEL CF
$1,929.00 – $2,029.00
Uses: Home, Cottage, Shop, Barn
Model CF, for home or cabin, workshop, barn or basement, will serve the needs of 4 people, full time. 120 volts, 2000 watts, 2 year warranty. (Must be installed on a 20 amp dedicated circuit)
Each toilet comes with 1 box of 200 liners.
Prices good for U.S. and Canada only. Allow 2 to 4 weeks for delivery.
Uses: Home, Cottage, Shop, Barn
Model CF, for home or cabin, workshop, barn or basement, will serve the needs of 4 people, full time. 120 volts, 2000 watts, 2 year warranty. (Must be installed on a 20 amp dedicated circuit)
Each toilet comes with 1 box of 200 liners.
Prices good for U.S. and Canada only. Allow 2 to 4 weeks for delivery.
| Weight | 73 lbs |
|---|---|
| Dimensions | 31 × 22 × 27 in |
| Configuration | White Shell Add: $100, No White Shell |
| Seat Lid Color | White, Rose, Sand, Blue, Yellow |
| Finish | Stainless, White |
Anthony DuPouy dba Dupouy & Son Farm –
This works just as advertised. It sure saves me a lot of steps from the shop to the house. It is very easy to install and I have not had one problem in three years.
Kevin (store manager) –
Thank you for your comment. You are our first comment on our new site.
kenneth osborn –
First off love the new webpage, it is awesome that your listing parts and pricing on the page. Second i bought my toilet used about three years ago and LOVE IT! It has worked as described flawlessly. For anyone thinking of buying one I highly recommend it. My advice is do your regularly scheduled cleaning and the toilet will never let you down.
Kevin (store manager) –
Thank you for the comment and we will soon have all parts available on the new web site.
Dr Susan Shapiro –
I have owned this toilet for 7- years. I love it. And so does everyone who uses it. Easy to clean, and uses no water. Very little electricity. Easy to install. Takes up no extra space. Great for the environment.
Shane Mitchell –
Bought this model used 4 years ago from a man that used it as a primary toilet in Alaska. He moved down here to SC and did not need it any more. It has served us well in the garage. Installation was a breeze, just plug it in to a 120V outlet. Would highly recommend this toilet to anyone.
Lyni –
Will it work with solar…?
Kevin (store manager) –
We have not had a lot of success with solar, but we have a few customers working with it.
Richard –
We are looking at using your product as the standard offering for our Tiny Houses on Wheels business. So much easier that dealing with black water holding tanks etc. We are stepping up our solar energy storage via new lithium battery technology so short high current electricity bursts shouldn’t be an issue. Will keep you posted.
Kevin (store manager) –
The amp draw is a real problem with using solar. Good luck.
tom –
I bought this used a couple of years ago. it works great, put it in a cabin that has no plumbing. highly recommended. you can even take it camping as long as you have a generator
Ken Osborn –
Awesome product worth ever penny. We use it in our home as out only toilet for 3 people, had never had any major issues in 5yrs. We have replaced the heater coil once very simple and easy to replace.
Brooke Richards –
Will it fit in an RV?
Kevin (store manager) –
Yes
Mark Pawelski –
Will this work in a cold garage that can get below zero? I have some land that I will be putting a garage on so it won’t be heated when I’m not there.
Kevin (store manager) –
No problem we have some toilets in Antarctica.
Dawn Davidson –
We have one of your units in our camp in VT and it has been wonderful. We are in need of one for our garage here in CT next.
Doug –
How about a propane or natural gas model?
Kevin (store manager) –
We tried that in the 70s its too much trouble.
Jeri Rose –
Why are we the only animal besides fish that poops in water? This is the most sane way to deal with waste. We love our incinolet and are glad not to have had to dig a septic system.
Chris Danze –
We own two of these machines. Installation is very simple. Saved $20,00 on septic system!. Incinolet crew are knowledgeable and always helpful.
Amy –
I just heard about your toilets tonight on a show called, “You can’t make a house out of that” on the FYI channel. I’m super excited that my parents don’t need to continue to save for Septic Tank in order to have a real toilet!!! We hate using the Out House when going over to visit. It’s cold, it smells, it’s gross and its scary! This Incinolet is the answer to everyone’s gripes! Can’t wait to tell them about these!!
Alan Kline (verified owner) –
WE replaced a 20+ year old unit in a summer cottage we bought. The old one appeared to have never been cleaned inside. Before it finally died, it was shaking and rumbling like a freight train. The new one is so quiet, I didn’t think it was working. Great product.
Susie (verified owner) –
First, I’d like to say that UPS damaged the box on our first toilet and I received outstanding customer service getting that replaced (it turns out the unit was not damaged, but I had to hire a plumber to install this and didn’t want to find out later that it didn’t work). They were very understanding and sent a new unit (even though UPS fought paying for the shipping – a fight we eventually won).
Second, the unit works flawlessly and is SO much easier to install and use and care for than our last unit (an EcoJohn composting toilet). This unit is wonderful! I’d highly recommend this Carefree unit – it really is carefree!
Katherine –
Will a Honda 2000 generator run this ?
Kevin (store manager) –
The heater is 1800 watts and the toilet pulls 13.4 amps when the heater is on. I would get something a little bigger just to be on the safe side.
Eileen –
I don’t have a radio yet I want to know if this is the right incinerator toilet to buy I’ve read the reviews but how do you clean it what are the steps it doesn’t say anything in the description I might not looking at the right website thank you
Kevin (store manager) –
Their is a ashpan in the bottom that you empty out.
JW Welton –
So if we wanted this in an RV what are the steps? Or do any small TVs come with them. And what is the maintenance, how often do you have to empty, etc.
Kevin (store manager) –
You would buy a WB model it comes with a mounting plate. For maintenance you need to clean the blower wheel at least once a year and empty the ashpan after you have about a inch of ash.
Mike Smith –
Are there any weight limits? Is the venting absolutely necessary? Can it be vented into a large garage or is it required to be vented to the outdoors? I was planning to use this as a standby in a small half bath in the event my septic system over fills from heavy rains.
Kevin (store manager) –
We have made a lot of changes to the toilet recently so I will need to check on weight limits. It can not be vented into a large room it will need to be vented outside.
Sara Alaia Lichfield –
I’m looking to purchase, for a tiny house on steep terrain, that won’t allow a septic drain field.
Please show the colors of your toilet lids. They do not show anywhere; not even in the “shop” section. Blue sounds retro and fun, to me; but I’d like to see the color.
Bill –
We have an off grid cabin. I am pleased to know this is a doable option for us. However, I’ve read the questions and answers about the toilets use with solar.and I would like to know if the toilets incineration cycle happens every use or can it be cycled manually once or twice a day? That would make a difference whether we could size up the solar panels and battery bank or whether we would need to run a generator all day or just when we cycled the incineration process.
Thanks in advance.
Kevin (store manager) –
This toilet will not work on solar. It will run on a generator, The main burning cycle runs one hour and then the motor will run for about half an hour for the cooling cycle.
Bryan Fullerton –
First I do not own one yet. Second I do know how solar works and you can run One of these on solar IF you also understand how solar works. First off Solar just charges a battery bank so you are really never running on solar. You are running off your battery banks. Second the amp drain would make this totally impractical to run on most solar energy systems. You guys wanting to run on solar really need to understand Amp Hours. My rough calculation puts one of these toilets at somewhere close to 196 amp hours. So yeah if you have a huge battery bank running 3,000 to 5,000 watt inverters and a ridiculous amount of solar panels. Think more than 10,000 watts of solar power. You are not going to want to be marginal with this on solar power because it will literally suck even a relatively large system dry and you still need power for other things.
So yeah it can be done but is not very practical. This is really a good chance to run your genset every so often. In fact it is perfect. A 5,000 watt genset would be perfect. Run that once a day or so for an hour and you are all set.
Honestly if I was going to run this on solar I would have a separate solar system set up just for it. It would be big. It would need to be designed for 4 times the use. Remember winter time and cloudy day times. Generator backup or enough batteries to run it a week with no charging.
Kevin (store manager) –
This is all true. We tell people it will not work on solar because it would be very expensive.
Diana Linville (verified owner) –
works like a dream! installation was easy and uncomplicated. purchased for use in our 5th wheel as our property doesn’t have a sewer system. it was pricey, but well under the cost of installing a sewer system. the only problem I see so far is I am relatively a short woman and sitting on this toilet my feet don’t touch the floor… Feel like a kid again! My daughter will be purchasing one for her 5th wheel as well. Thanks for a great product!
Kevin (store manager) –
Thank you so much for the great review.
Sandy –
How do you vent it outside without putting a hole in the wall ? Sorry if this is a stupid question but I won’t know if I don’t ask, thank you.
Kevin (store manager) –
You will have to cut a 4 inch hole in the wall.
Richard Bolduc –
If I put one of these units in a basement beneath an existing bathroom on the first floor, can it be vented using the existing vent upstairs?
Kevin (store manager) –
If it is 10 feet or less and a 4 inch pipe.
tracey –
If you only have periodic access to electricity, can you use the toilet and burn the contents later? If so, what would be a sensible use limit? Assuming you have your camper out where there are no hookups for a couple of days or something like that.
Kevin (store manager) –
You could but leaving waste in the toilet would smell and flies would find it.The burn cycle takes 60 min.
Tim (verified owner) –
We received our toilet quickly, it is in a weekend getaway in the hill country. Have used it several times and it works great. Easy to install, just plug it in (110 model) and cut a vent hole for it, pretty simple. Like to support a Texas company also.
Den Slater –
We have had ours as the primary potty in a house of three people. It has functioned very well, and visitors are always intrigued by the fact that we don’t make sewage water that has to be sprayed out by an aerobic septic system. Be sure to consider your vent placement. We relocated ours, as the slight burning smell wasn’t ideal when it vented out the front of the house. It’s not a terrible smell, but it’s best not to vent it by your front door!
Paola –
Do you send this product to South America, Chile?
Kevin (store manager) –
Yes
Howie –
I can’t give you 5 stars because I have a couple of questions before laying down the 2 grand. You say the incineration period lasts an hour, and if I have two people who need to use the restroom, and one follows the other, do I have to run this per hour per person? While the incinerator is running, can you still utilize the toilet?
Kevin (store manager) –
You don’t have to wait. They just push the start button and restart the cycle.
Elaine –
Haven’t bought one yet – still in research stage. I like what I see, but what is the impact on the electric bill? I want to install in the basement and if you figure 3-4 flushes per day at approx. I hr. incineration per “flush”, what does that calculate out to in electrical usage? I understand KWH prices vary and ancillary charges also vary, but there should be a rough estimate somewhere. Please advise
Kevin (store manager) –
It will use around 1 KWA an hour.
John Adams –
Hey guys,
in June we will back in the States travelling from Australia to convert a Container to a cabin and would like to set one up… the million dollar question is can i run it on a Goal Zero 1000 Watt hour battery, with a 1500 watt AC converter… it will basically be dedicated to the running of the toilet system and some small LED lights…
Thanks mate John ADAMS
Kevin (store manager) –
Sorry but know. The heater needs 2000 watts.
Nick –
I have a small off grid cabin I am looking at putting one of these toilets in I power it with a Honda 7000 wat inverter generator the generator also has to power a 110 well pump and some fans and lights (all led) possibly at the same time will this work?
Kevin (store manager) –
The heater needs 2000 watts. The run cycle is 60 min.
Mari Barr –
I’m planning a small home community and,will have our own builder for the homes. Septic is so expensive and limits the number of homes. This toilet may be the answer. SO if it consumes 1 kw/ hr and it’s being used10x a day, if price per kwh is 10 cents will it be $1.00 a day? Or did I count the price wrong and could it be $10.00 a day instead. I would like to start ordering one for our barn that needs an extra toilet so people can actually try it as it will be an activity hub when we promote our small home community in aTyler Texas. .
Kevin (store manager) –
It consumes around 1.8 too .500 kw/hr. From a cold start it will use around 1.8, if it has been running already it will use much less. Plus you have the liners to consider at almost 10 cents each. So i would say around $2.50 – $3.00 dollars a day. If you fold your own liners the cost of liners is even less.
David Bowden –
I have read through your information and the reviews, so I understand your hesitancy in recommending for solar use. We are doing an off grid barndominium with a large scale solar setup. If we are producing 5-6 kW daily with 10+ kWhr of usable battery backup and a 6800 watt inverter would be not have adequate power to run per specifications? Our electrician is installing all wiring to code (even though we’re of grid) so we have a 200 amp panel and can run a dedicated plug for the Incinolet with a 20 amp deducted plug-in and breaker.
Kevin (store manager) –
Sounds like that might work. The toilet will use between 2 – .500 kWh an hour.
Annie (verified owner) –
My toilet works great. Occasionally I smell a burning odor. I do have difficulty getting the panel off the front so t adjusted the clips to allow me to open easier to pull out the ash container.
Kevin (store manager) –
If you give us a call we can figure out why you are getting a burning odor.
Eric –
I would like to consider purchasing an incinerator toilet. The issue I have is install in basement where venting to exterior will have to be through a pipe up an interior wall and out. My concern is the exterior wall where pipe would be vented is just above ground level. Would the smell when the incineration takes place be an issue?
Kevin (store manager) –
That would be fine.
Gregg –
I like the toilet. However, it produces a horrible smell throughout the neighborhood when its in use. Anyone have a solution for this?
Kevin (store manager) –
Please give us a call. It should never smell.
Monica Morgan –
I am very interested in purchasing the incinolet. My question is, “can I shut the toilet off if I leave for extended periods?”
Kevin (store manager) –
Once the burn cycle is finished you can unplug it or just leave it alone for as long as you need. In some cases like in Antarctica, they just sit for months at a time.
Cathy –
I like to use a bidet on my toilet in part as I am having issues with my septic system and this drastically reduces paper waste. If I switch to your system, could I attach an underseat bidet unit commonly found online, and how will the extra water in the unit affect it’s use and efficiency?
Kevin (store manager) –
Our toilet does not use any water at all and is electric so you will not be able to use a bidet.
Gardener –
Odd question: Can you pee in this ? Do you have to run the cycle after each time? Love this concept for when we turn our garage in to a usable room with a half bath
Kevin (store manager) –
Yes you can put anything in it you would in a normal toilet and yes you should run it after each use. You do not have to wait for it to finish a cycle before someone uses it again.
Johnny Rebel –
I am in research mode. I read and like all the reviews. The one question I have that was not clearly answered is…..If it is in incinerator mode (60 minute cycle), can it be used by another person? If so, would you have to wait to flush the waist into the incinerator basket or could you interupt the cycle and run it again?
My rating is only because it made me put one in. I have not used one….yet…but am researching one for a cabin in Washington State.
Thanks
Kevin (store manager) –
You do not need to wait for the cycle to finish. Just use it again and when you push the start button it will start the cycle again.
Michael Green –
Do you ship to Canada or is there a Canadian distributor?
Kevin (store manager) –
We do ship to Canada and we do have a distributor also in Canada. The information for our distributor is on the bottom of the front page of our web site.
Tom –
Is this a viable substitute for a bedside go and dump the bucket handicapped toilet ?
Kevin (store manager) –
No this toilet needs to be vented outside and needs a 20 amp dedicated plug.
Dave (verified owner) –
5 star rating, works as advertised
Jackie Beeschke –
Have a travel trailer. Want to take regular toilet out and install one of these. Would this work, and do I have to vent it outside? Really don’t want to put hole in trailer.
Kevin (store manager) –
You do have to vent it outside and you also need a 20 amp dedicated circuit for the toilet.
Jackie Beeschke –
Great info! Give it a five.
Robert paisley –
Can it be used in a fiberglass sailboat on shore power.. Will venting through a fiberglass roof cause a fire hazard
Kevin (store manager) –
You will be fine no fire hazard. Call and ask for Kevin or Carol.
Jason Runner –
How soon can someone use the toilet after someone else, Is there a wait/standby period between uses?
Kevin (store manager) –
There is no waiting period between uses. In the case of a lot of people using it one after another you might need to run an extra cycle.
Laurie Marzuki –
Responding to …..Jackie Beeschke – June 12, 2018
“Have a travel trailer. Want to take regular toilet out and install one of these. Would this work, and do I have to vent it outside? Really don’t want to put hole in trailer.”
We have the same situation, and I was wondering if we couldn’t use the hole in the floor that the black water would normally use . (with some sort of screening on the outside to keep critters out)
Kevin (store manager) –
If you can go down and then to the side of the trailer that would be best. You need good air circulation near the vent.
Dane Gibeau –
Works great, very impressed. Bought for my camping land. Installed in the back center of my 12X10 shed.
Lisa Alexander –
We are interested in installing this model in a cabin with no running water in the winter. Could we still use the unit when the cabin has been frozen, heated up for a weekend use, then shut down to freeze again?
Kevin (store manager) –
Yes we have toilets in Alaska, Canada and Antarctica.
Randy Lyon (verified owner) –
This has worked great for us. We installed it in a trailer we had put in a low lying area that would not qualify for a septic tank to be used. We love it! It works great!
Kathy C. –
We are seriously considering getting one of these toilets for a cabin without septic, but I have a question about the incineration time. Reading through these comments it says the toilet takes 1 hour to incinerate then a 30 minutes to cool down. Can you use it while it’s incinerating or do you have to wait until the burning cycle is done? Thank you for your help!
Kevin (store manager) –
You can use it while it is running.
Kathy C. –
Please ignore my question above – I see that you answered elsewhere – sorry about that! But I do have another question… does the toilet signal you when the ash pan is getting full and needs emptying? Or do you need to empty when you guess it’s getting there? Or would you recommend doing it once a day? Or? Please advise. Thanks!
Kevin (store manager) –
You can just hold the pedal down and look inside but it is best to choose a time to do it once a week. Or more often if you have a lot of people using it.
Heidi –
Hi, I am considering the Incinolet for a tiny house. I didn’t see this question answered anywhere…For asthetics, can you put a wood box around the toilet or would that present a problem, fire hazard or otherwise? Does the metal on the outside get hot hot? Thank you!! Heidi
Kevin (store manager) –
It will get warm to the touch but it won’t burn wood or paper.
Josh –
Am thinking about purchasing an incinolet for an outhouse. Just to verify, for anyone who uses the toilet just for a number 1, the incineration process still has to happen no different than a number two?
Kevin (store manager) –
Yes
Sandy –
Does this unit come with the exhaust pipe to vent outside ?
I am doing research before deciding to buy.
Can not rate yet….have not bought the product
Kevin (store manager) –
It is sold separately but you can buy everything you need at a hardware store.
Linda –
Does the liner incinerate with everything else? Just curious…if not, how long do they last?
I am researching, don’t have enough info to review, but it sounds awesome. My late husband had one in his Comander in the early 70’s and swore by it.
Christian Anderson (verified owner) –
Our Incinolet replaced a composting toilet in our Minnesota cabin. We used the composter for two seasons and I have to say it was the most disgusting thing ever. I installed the Incinolet in an afternoon and was sold on it the first time it was used. GREAT product!!!
Cherie –
HI we have a few questions.
1. I know it has to be vented outside, but can we extend the vent to the roof so it’s vented higher?
2. Does the toilet get hot to where you would have to wait for it to cool down to use it?
3. How soon do you guys forsee the propane model coming out?
4. If we used the toilet all day (3adukts and a 3 yr old) could we run the cycle just once per day?
5. I saw a review where it was stated if left in the basin, it will begin to smell?
6. How much does to basin hold? How many poo”s and pee”s have been averaged when this was created?
Thank you!
P.s.
We live this and cannot wait to get a few!
Kevin (store manager) –
You have a lot of great question. It would be a lot easer if you could call me. Call us up and ask for Kevin.
Bob I (verified owner) –
We installed the model CF this summer. The unit works well. There is no leveling ability if the floor is not true. Also, at 20″ to the seat, the unit is a bit high and tippy.
Dave and Debbie –
We don’t own one yet but love the idea of how this unit works, no septic or water needed ! My husband and I are close to buying one for our new house but have a few questions before ordering. We know it needs a dedicated 20 amp outlet but what size wire do you recommend ? And for venting in a single story home, would venting through the attic, out to the soffits be adequate? Or out the wall as high as possible? We’re really trying to avoid putting a hole through the roof.
Kevin (store manager) –
Just the standard wiring in a home should be fine. The venting needs to be in a place with good air flow so i would just go straight through the wall.
KC –
Trying to find a toilet solution for a rustic fire pit area on our property. We sometimes host parties there. Is there a limit to how many people can use this toilet when we are hosting a party? Thanks!
Kevin (store manager) –
Yes only 4-6 people depending on the model. You also would have to make sure everyone uses a bowl liner.
Beth Perry –
Doing some research on the Model CF before purchasing (a star rating was required), and am a bit confused about dimensions. The specs say 31 x 22 x 27, but the graphic says 24″ (front to back), 15″ wide, and 21″ tall. Which is correct? And what is the height from floor to seat, not lid? Do you have any pictures of the control panel and pictures of the colored seats?
Kevin (store manager) –
It is 24inches long, 17 inches wide including the foot pedal and 21 inches tall.About 20 1/2 inches too the seat.The control panel is just a push button to start. We have a picture of all the seat colors on our Facebook page.
Bindy –
Would this work in a short bus conversion with a generator? I am trying to find a better solution to dark water waste. Thank you. I really love the idea. BTW, is the 20 amp like a 110 outlet? I’m new to all this and am learning a lot before each step. I really want a toilet that does not need a lot of messy work by me. It would be only for me so is the base model the one I could choose being that it will be in a moving bus? Thank you.
Kevin (store manager) –
You will need a 3000 watt generator just for the toilet. It will need to be on its on 20 amp breaker. You would need the CF model with a mounting plate.
Terry Olmem –
had it a month and it works great. Nice to have when it as 20 degrees outside and snowing. Easy to install and it is quite. It does burn it to nothing and it is easy to clean. One thing they should look at is as long as it has electric is to heat the seat.
Ralph Sharkey –
We have some elderly handicapped people that come to church and can’t get down the stairs to use the facilities. Would you advise using one of these in the church.We are considering building a small room in the back of the church for it.
Kevin (store manager) –
I have sold toilets to churches for just this reason.
Tamara (verified owner) –
My incinolet has saved my bum! I have a rural studio space with electricity but no running water. I have to bring in all water manually. You can imagine, this is not conducive to having a regular toilet. The incinolet has cured my toilet ailments! It is clean, quiet (yes it is), and leaves me only having to deal with ashes rather than composted excrement (gross), bagged excrement (also gross), or digging a hole. It is comfortable to sit on, better than my regular toilet at home. About the smell… I saw a few people complained about it. All I have smelled is a burning paper smell, and that is not terribly strong. I’ll trade the perfume of burning paper for the odor of composting poo any day!! I look forward to having a long and delightfully heated relationship with this toilet.
Bill Wood –
Is there any chance of electrical shock, with new or old installations? How far from sinks and showers must they be installed?
Kevin (store manager) –
You will need to call us 1-800-527-5551
Gerald –
I’m considering installing a battery unit that provides 7kW peak / 5kW continuous power. If I engage the battery during a power outage, how much of this power would be consumed by Incinolet?
Kevin (store manager) –
The CF will use 2000 watts for the heater. It will use about 2 kilowatts or power during a cycle.
Jerry –
how Well does it perform. Say in a party setting. Soo far I think it’s a great buy and I will buy it. But has anyone abused it and what kind of problems can I run into. Could it spoil a party?
Kevin (store manager) –
It will be difficult during a party because i’m assuming you will have more people than it is designed for. How many people will be using it? They have definitely have been abused before. When they are abused they will need more maintenance and cleaning. Give us a call before you buy one so we can make sure our toilet will work for you.
James Whitaker –
I am thinking of purchasing one a relative had one and never had any problems. Does it run off 110 or 220 volt? How much are the liners? I read about folding your own liners?
Kevin (store manager) –
We have 120 and 240 volt. The liners are $38 dollars for 400 or you can fold your own $55 dollars for 1,000.
Brian Seas –
At 2000 watts for one hour to incinerate one use, multipled by four uses per day times 365 days, about what is the estimated cost for a year in the house?
Kevin (store manager) –
It will use between 1 and 2 kilowatts per use so check and see how much you spend on a kilowatt of power.
Ryan Haberman –
We have one in our tool truck out on the highway. It works great but with 8 guys they are having it leak. is this just because of to much urine and not enough burn time.
Kevin (store manager) –
You have too many people using it. You can try increasing the burn time. The CF model can handle 4 people and the 240 volt TR, WB can handle 6.
Daneen –
Question: how long is the power cord? Considering placement at a cabin, wondering how close it needs to be to an existing outlet. Been considering this for years, have not found any competing product.
Kevin (store manager) –
4 1/2 feet.
Dave –
I was considering it as a backup head on my boat but the vent is an issue. Just not practical for a emergency backup head. It would make sense as a primary head. Running the genset for 1.5 hours is really not an issue. I need to run it for a few hours each day to recharge the batteries. Anyways, why I really want to comment is to compliment you on your patience! I noticed a lot of the same questions over and over again and your answer never changes! lol, cheers!